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Non-Italian European mafias in USA?


Is the USA Congress explicitly patterned after the British Parliament?Explaining differences in settler-first peoples matingWas there a movement for “humane” slavery?Examples of internment or deportation of enemy aliens in the US after WW2?In the early 1900's, how did US politicians treat black dignitaries from other countries?Was there a “European Balance of Power Strategy” for Anglo-American interests in between 1925 and 1935?What actions did the USA take in 2003 to prevent other countries from coming to Iraq's aid?Have there been any instances of US states trading land, not related to the creation of a state?History of ideas, and importance of, “race” as a concept in the United States?Did families heading west ever settle along the Oregon Trail (instead of at the final destination)?













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Italian mafias are a well-known example of an ethnic-based mafia in USA but are there other examples of European mafias based in ethnicity in USA?



I'm especially interested in North European examples, e.g., a German mafia or Prussian mafia or similar.










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    As there is no German or Prussian Mafia in Germany (or former Prussia) you would be hard pressed to find such structures imported into the US.

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Italian mafias are a well-known example of an ethnic-based mafia in USA but are there other examples of European mafias based in ethnicity in USA?



I'm especially interested in North European examples, e.g., a German mafia or Prussian mafia or similar.










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I'm especially interested in North European examples, e.g., a German mafia or Prussian mafia or similar.







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As there is no German or Prussian Mafia in Germany (or former Prussia) you would be hard pressed to find such structures imported into the US.

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Probably the best-known non-Italian 'ethnic-based mafia' that operated in the USA was the Unione Corse.



This group were not North-European, but were part of the Corsican Mafia and maintained the so-called French Connection monopoly, controlling the import of Heroin, from French Indo-China, through France (and Canada) into the United States from the 1930s until the late 1970s.




The Irish organised crime groups that operated from the nineteenth century onwards are another well known group that might be classified as an 'ethnic-based mafia'. Sometimes collectively known as the "Irish Mob", this group actually originated in the Irish street gangs in the United States.



Those gangs were made famous (or, perhaps more accurately, infamous) by Herbert Asbury's 1928 book The Gangs of New York, which was loosely adapted into Martin Scorsese's 2002 film of the same name. As a group whose members are linked to a North-European country, this might meet your requirements.



In this case, the Irish Mob appears to have originated in the US in the nineteenth century and then expanded back into Ireland at some point in the 1960s. This growth of organised crime in Ireland was the subject of the 3-part documentary series Bad Fellas on RTÉ Television.




Although operating on a smaller scale, the so-called "Polish Mob" are another North-European 'ethnic-based mafia'.



Some well-known elements include the Saltis-McErlane Gang in Chicago, the Kielbasa Posse in Philadelphia, the Greenpoint Crew from Brooklyn, the Flats Mob in Cleveland, and the The Flathead gang in Detroit.




As for your specific question about German or Prussian mafias operating in the United states, I have to say that I haven't found any references to a significant 'German mafia' or 'Prussian mafia' operating in the United States.



I did find this post on Reddit that also seems to suggest that, while it seems likely that there were some German criminal groups active in the US, they didn't operate on the same scale as some other groups:




I've researched and written about the early years of the Mafia in the US, and looked at Jewish and Irish organised crime in New York as well, I have never come across any references to a German equivalent. This is not to say it never occurred – and in fact, given that at least 6 million German emigrated to the US during the 19th and early 20th centuries, I'd be very surprised if it never did – but certainly Germans were not as prominent as other ethnic groups in organised crime.





Finally, it is worth noting that Wikipedia maintains a list of '"Criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates", which includes a (presumably not exhaustive) list of gangs operating in the United States.



Included in this list you will also find the Jewish-American organised-crime groups that were active in the United States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and which are not infrequently referred to as the ' Jewish Mafia' in the media and popular culture. Some members of these groups did have German ancestry.






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    @d-b None that I could find with any significant presence in the US. (Unless you count the Norse expeditions by Leif Erikson et. al. to Vinland, c1000 CE)

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    @sempaiscuba Yes, apart from the fact that it is ruled by France. Language and culture are closer to Italian than to French. The same way in which Südtirol is sort of Austrian. National borders are not always aligned with cultural borders.

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    @TripeHound No, I'm definitely thinking of Corsica, which has long had an independence movement, as well as Italian irridentism, has been French for less than 300 years, and where Italian was the main public language until the 19th century. The place names are almost all essentially Italian as well including the name Corsica itself.

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    @gerrit Italian irredentism was largely promoted by Italy & was effectively snuffed out by WW2. I know a number of Corsicans who all identify as Corsican First and French second (and expressly not Italian). However, what is important in this context is that the Unione Corse evolved and operated predominantly in Corsica & Marseilles, and that the Corsican Mafia is considered to be part of the 'French mob', rather than their Italian counterparts.

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Question:

Non Italian European organized crime groups in the United States.




Ethnic Organized Crime groups which meet the criteria of your question operating in the United States are.




  • 69th St Gang Philadelphia Jewish Gang


  • Cape Verdean - French, Netherlands, Portugal, and New England


  • The Combined (Group) - Jewish Italian Irish Organized Crime precursor to the Cosa Nostra

  • The Irish Mob


  • The Israeli Mob - Jewish


  • Lenox Avenue Gang - Jewish


  • Purple Gang - predominantly Jewish members


  • Russian Mafia - Russian


    • Solomon Crime Family - Jewish Russian



  • Sagansky Organization - Jewish

  • Philadelphia Greek Mob


  • Velentzas Crime Family - Greek





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    The Hell's Angels likely count too, as they generally don't allow non-white (eg: European-descended) members.

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    @T.E.D. One could probable list more than 20 biker gangs like that as well as various Arian Groups ,

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    @LangLangC The difference between Sicily and Italy is greater than the difference between Germany and Austria. Sicilians have a different language, complexion, and culture. Particularly when dealing Pre-Italian Unification or the first few generations afterwards, the two are quite different.

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    @KentaroTomono A number of high-ranking members of other ethnic mobs were Jewish, as well.

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    Is your list exhaustive ? It also is formulated in a bigotted structure (listing all Jewish gangs induce a representative bias). Why not list all Irish and Polish and Mediterranean organisations ?

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All current ones.



As these mafias/organized crimes groups are based in the USA, with persons naturalized or born in the USA, all of the involved persons are Americans.



Their ancestry or place of birth does not matter.






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Probably the best-known non-Italian 'ethnic-based mafia' that operated in the USA was the Unione Corse.



This group were not North-European, but were part of the Corsican Mafia and maintained the so-called French Connection monopoly, controlling the import of Heroin, from French Indo-China, through France (and Canada) into the United States from the 1930s until the late 1970s.




The Irish organised crime groups that operated from the nineteenth century onwards are another well known group that might be classified as an 'ethnic-based mafia'. Sometimes collectively known as the "Irish Mob", this group actually originated in the Irish street gangs in the United States.



Those gangs were made famous (or, perhaps more accurately, infamous) by Herbert Asbury's 1928 book The Gangs of New York, which was loosely adapted into Martin Scorsese's 2002 film of the same name. As a group whose members are linked to a North-European country, this might meet your requirements.



In this case, the Irish Mob appears to have originated in the US in the nineteenth century and then expanded back into Ireland at some point in the 1960s. This growth of organised crime in Ireland was the subject of the 3-part documentary series Bad Fellas on RTÉ Television.




Although operating on a smaller scale, the so-called "Polish Mob" are another North-European 'ethnic-based mafia'.



Some well-known elements include the Saltis-McErlane Gang in Chicago, the Kielbasa Posse in Philadelphia, the Greenpoint Crew from Brooklyn, the Flats Mob in Cleveland, and the The Flathead gang in Detroit.




As for your specific question about German or Prussian mafias operating in the United states, I have to say that I haven't found any references to a significant 'German mafia' or 'Prussian mafia' operating in the United States.



I did find this post on Reddit that also seems to suggest that, while it seems likely that there were some German criminal groups active in the US, they didn't operate on the same scale as some other groups:




I've researched and written about the early years of the Mafia in the US, and looked at Jewish and Irish organised crime in New York as well, I have never come across any references to a German equivalent. This is not to say it never occurred – and in fact, given that at least 6 million German emigrated to the US during the 19th and early 20th centuries, I'd be very surprised if it never did – but certainly Germans were not as prominent as other ethnic groups in organised crime.





Finally, it is worth noting that Wikipedia maintains a list of '"Criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates", which includes a (presumably not exhaustive) list of gangs operating in the United States.



Included in this list you will also find the Jewish-American organised-crime groups that were active in the United States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and which are not infrequently referred to as the ' Jewish Mafia' in the media and popular culture. Some members of these groups did have German ancestry.






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    @d-b None that I could find with any significant presence in the US. (Unless you count the Norse expeditions by Leif Erikson et. al. to Vinland, c1000 CE)

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    Corsica is sort of Italian.

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    @sempaiscuba Yes, apart from the fact that it is ruled by France. Language and culture are closer to Italian than to French. The same way in which Südtirol is sort of Austrian. National borders are not always aligned with cultural borders.

    – gerrit
    yesterday







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    @TripeHound No, I'm definitely thinking of Corsica, which has long had an independence movement, as well as Italian irridentism, has been French for less than 300 years, and where Italian was the main public language until the 19th century. The place names are almost all essentially Italian as well including the name Corsica itself.

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    @gerrit Italian irredentism was largely promoted by Italy & was effectively snuffed out by WW2. I know a number of Corsicans who all identify as Corsican First and French second (and expressly not Italian). However, what is important in this context is that the Unione Corse evolved and operated predominantly in Corsica & Marseilles, and that the Corsican Mafia is considered to be part of the 'French mob', rather than their Italian counterparts.

    – sempaiscuba
    yesterday















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Probably the best-known non-Italian 'ethnic-based mafia' that operated in the USA was the Unione Corse.



This group were not North-European, but were part of the Corsican Mafia and maintained the so-called French Connection monopoly, controlling the import of Heroin, from French Indo-China, through France (and Canada) into the United States from the 1930s until the late 1970s.




The Irish organised crime groups that operated from the nineteenth century onwards are another well known group that might be classified as an 'ethnic-based mafia'. Sometimes collectively known as the "Irish Mob", this group actually originated in the Irish street gangs in the United States.



Those gangs were made famous (or, perhaps more accurately, infamous) by Herbert Asbury's 1928 book The Gangs of New York, which was loosely adapted into Martin Scorsese's 2002 film of the same name. As a group whose members are linked to a North-European country, this might meet your requirements.



In this case, the Irish Mob appears to have originated in the US in the nineteenth century and then expanded back into Ireland at some point in the 1960s. This growth of organised crime in Ireland was the subject of the 3-part documentary series Bad Fellas on RTÉ Television.




Although operating on a smaller scale, the so-called "Polish Mob" are another North-European 'ethnic-based mafia'.



Some well-known elements include the Saltis-McErlane Gang in Chicago, the Kielbasa Posse in Philadelphia, the Greenpoint Crew from Brooklyn, the Flats Mob in Cleveland, and the The Flathead gang in Detroit.




As for your specific question about German or Prussian mafias operating in the United states, I have to say that I haven't found any references to a significant 'German mafia' or 'Prussian mafia' operating in the United States.



I did find this post on Reddit that also seems to suggest that, while it seems likely that there were some German criminal groups active in the US, they didn't operate on the same scale as some other groups:




I've researched and written about the early years of the Mafia in the US, and looked at Jewish and Irish organised crime in New York as well, I have never come across any references to a German equivalent. This is not to say it never occurred – and in fact, given that at least 6 million German emigrated to the US during the 19th and early 20th centuries, I'd be very surprised if it never did – but certainly Germans were not as prominent as other ethnic groups in organised crime.





Finally, it is worth noting that Wikipedia maintains a list of '"Criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates", which includes a (presumably not exhaustive) list of gangs operating in the United States.



Included in this list you will also find the Jewish-American organised-crime groups that were active in the United States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and which are not infrequently referred to as the ' Jewish Mafia' in the media and popular culture. Some members of these groups did have German ancestry.






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    @d-b None that I could find with any significant presence in the US. (Unless you count the Norse expeditions by Leif Erikson et. al. to Vinland, c1000 CE)

    – sempaiscuba
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    Corsica is sort of Italian.

    – gerrit
    yesterday






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    @sempaiscuba Yes, apart from the fact that it is ruled by France. Language and culture are closer to Italian than to French. The same way in which Südtirol is sort of Austrian. National borders are not always aligned with cultural borders.

    – gerrit
    yesterday







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    @TripeHound No, I'm definitely thinking of Corsica, which has long had an independence movement, as well as Italian irridentism, has been French for less than 300 years, and where Italian was the main public language until the 19th century. The place names are almost all essentially Italian as well including the name Corsica itself.

    – gerrit
    yesterday







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    @gerrit Italian irredentism was largely promoted by Italy & was effectively snuffed out by WW2. I know a number of Corsicans who all identify as Corsican First and French second (and expressly not Italian). However, what is important in this context is that the Unione Corse evolved and operated predominantly in Corsica & Marseilles, and that the Corsican Mafia is considered to be part of the 'French mob', rather than their Italian counterparts.

    – sempaiscuba
    yesterday













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Probably the best-known non-Italian 'ethnic-based mafia' that operated in the USA was the Unione Corse.



This group were not North-European, but were part of the Corsican Mafia and maintained the so-called French Connection monopoly, controlling the import of Heroin, from French Indo-China, through France (and Canada) into the United States from the 1930s until the late 1970s.




The Irish organised crime groups that operated from the nineteenth century onwards are another well known group that might be classified as an 'ethnic-based mafia'. Sometimes collectively known as the "Irish Mob", this group actually originated in the Irish street gangs in the United States.



Those gangs were made famous (or, perhaps more accurately, infamous) by Herbert Asbury's 1928 book The Gangs of New York, which was loosely adapted into Martin Scorsese's 2002 film of the same name. As a group whose members are linked to a North-European country, this might meet your requirements.



In this case, the Irish Mob appears to have originated in the US in the nineteenth century and then expanded back into Ireland at some point in the 1960s. This growth of organised crime in Ireland was the subject of the 3-part documentary series Bad Fellas on RTÉ Television.




Although operating on a smaller scale, the so-called "Polish Mob" are another North-European 'ethnic-based mafia'.



Some well-known elements include the Saltis-McErlane Gang in Chicago, the Kielbasa Posse in Philadelphia, the Greenpoint Crew from Brooklyn, the Flats Mob in Cleveland, and the The Flathead gang in Detroit.




As for your specific question about German or Prussian mafias operating in the United states, I have to say that I haven't found any references to a significant 'German mafia' or 'Prussian mafia' operating in the United States.



I did find this post on Reddit that also seems to suggest that, while it seems likely that there were some German criminal groups active in the US, they didn't operate on the same scale as some other groups:




I've researched and written about the early years of the Mafia in the US, and looked at Jewish and Irish organised crime in New York as well, I have never come across any references to a German equivalent. This is not to say it never occurred – and in fact, given that at least 6 million German emigrated to the US during the 19th and early 20th centuries, I'd be very surprised if it never did – but certainly Germans were not as prominent as other ethnic groups in organised crime.





Finally, it is worth noting that Wikipedia maintains a list of '"Criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates", which includes a (presumably not exhaustive) list of gangs operating in the United States.



Included in this list you will also find the Jewish-American organised-crime groups that were active in the United States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and which are not infrequently referred to as the ' Jewish Mafia' in the media and popular culture. Some members of these groups did have German ancestry.






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Probably the best-known non-Italian 'ethnic-based mafia' that operated in the USA was the Unione Corse.



This group were not North-European, but were part of the Corsican Mafia and maintained the so-called French Connection monopoly, controlling the import of Heroin, from French Indo-China, through France (and Canada) into the United States from the 1930s until the late 1970s.




The Irish organised crime groups that operated from the nineteenth century onwards are another well known group that might be classified as an 'ethnic-based mafia'. Sometimes collectively known as the "Irish Mob", this group actually originated in the Irish street gangs in the United States.



Those gangs were made famous (or, perhaps more accurately, infamous) by Herbert Asbury's 1928 book The Gangs of New York, which was loosely adapted into Martin Scorsese's 2002 film of the same name. As a group whose members are linked to a North-European country, this might meet your requirements.



In this case, the Irish Mob appears to have originated in the US in the nineteenth century and then expanded back into Ireland at some point in the 1960s. This growth of organised crime in Ireland was the subject of the 3-part documentary series Bad Fellas on RTÉ Television.




Although operating on a smaller scale, the so-called "Polish Mob" are another North-European 'ethnic-based mafia'.



Some well-known elements include the Saltis-McErlane Gang in Chicago, the Kielbasa Posse in Philadelphia, the Greenpoint Crew from Brooklyn, the Flats Mob in Cleveland, and the The Flathead gang in Detroit.




As for your specific question about German or Prussian mafias operating in the United states, I have to say that I haven't found any references to a significant 'German mafia' or 'Prussian mafia' operating in the United States.



I did find this post on Reddit that also seems to suggest that, while it seems likely that there were some German criminal groups active in the US, they didn't operate on the same scale as some other groups:




I've researched and written about the early years of the Mafia in the US, and looked at Jewish and Irish organised crime in New York as well, I have never come across any references to a German equivalent. This is not to say it never occurred – and in fact, given that at least 6 million German emigrated to the US during the 19th and early 20th centuries, I'd be very surprised if it never did – but certainly Germans were not as prominent as other ethnic groups in organised crime.





Finally, it is worth noting that Wikipedia maintains a list of '"Criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates", which includes a (presumably not exhaustive) list of gangs operating in the United States.



Included in this list you will also find the Jewish-American organised-crime groups that were active in the United States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and which are not infrequently referred to as the ' Jewish Mafia' in the media and popular culture. Some members of these groups did have German ancestry.







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    @d-b None that I could find with any significant presence in the US. (Unless you count the Norse expeditions by Leif Erikson et. al. to Vinland, c1000 CE)

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    Corsica is sort of Italian.

    – gerrit
    yesterday






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    @sempaiscuba Yes, apart from the fact that it is ruled by France. Language and culture are closer to Italian than to French. The same way in which Südtirol is sort of Austrian. National borders are not always aligned with cultural borders.

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    @TripeHound No, I'm definitely thinking of Corsica, which has long had an independence movement, as well as Italian irridentism, has been French for less than 300 years, and where Italian was the main public language until the 19th century. The place names are almost all essentially Italian as well including the name Corsica itself.

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    @gerrit Italian irredentism was largely promoted by Italy & was effectively snuffed out by WW2. I know a number of Corsicans who all identify as Corsican First and French second (and expressly not Italian). However, what is important in this context is that the Unione Corse evolved and operated predominantly in Corsica & Marseilles, and that the Corsican Mafia is considered to be part of the 'French mob', rather than their Italian counterparts.

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    @d-b None that I could find with any significant presence in the US. (Unless you count the Norse expeditions by Leif Erikson et. al. to Vinland, c1000 CE)

    – sempaiscuba
    2 days ago






  • 3





    Corsica is sort of Italian.

    – gerrit
    yesterday






  • 2





    @sempaiscuba Yes, apart from the fact that it is ruled by France. Language and culture are closer to Italian than to French. The same way in which Südtirol is sort of Austrian. National borders are not always aligned with cultural borders.

    – gerrit
    yesterday







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    @TripeHound No, I'm definitely thinking of Corsica, which has long had an independence movement, as well as Italian irridentism, has been French for less than 300 years, and where Italian was the main public language until the 19th century. The place names are almost all essentially Italian as well including the name Corsica itself.

    – gerrit
    yesterday







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    @gerrit Italian irredentism was largely promoted by Italy & was effectively snuffed out by WW2. I know a number of Corsicans who all identify as Corsican First and French second (and expressly not Italian). However, what is important in this context is that the Unione Corse evolved and operated predominantly in Corsica & Marseilles, and that the Corsican Mafia is considered to be part of the 'French mob', rather than their Italian counterparts.

    – sempaiscuba
    yesterday







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@d-b None that I could find with any significant presence in the US. (Unless you count the Norse expeditions by Leif Erikson et. al. to Vinland, c1000 CE)

– sempaiscuba
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@d-b None that I could find with any significant presence in the US. (Unless you count the Norse expeditions by Leif Erikson et. al. to Vinland, c1000 CE)

– sempaiscuba
2 days ago




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Corsica is sort of Italian.

– gerrit
yesterday





Corsica is sort of Italian.

– gerrit
yesterday




2




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@sempaiscuba Yes, apart from the fact that it is ruled by France. Language and culture are closer to Italian than to French. The same way in which Südtirol is sort of Austrian. National borders are not always aligned with cultural borders.

– gerrit
yesterday






@sempaiscuba Yes, apart from the fact that it is ruled by France. Language and culture are closer to Italian than to French. The same way in which Südtirol is sort of Austrian. National borders are not always aligned with cultural borders.

– gerrit
yesterday





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@TripeHound No, I'm definitely thinking of Corsica, which has long had an independence movement, as well as Italian irridentism, has been French for less than 300 years, and where Italian was the main public language until the 19th century. The place names are almost all essentially Italian as well including the name Corsica itself.

– gerrit
yesterday






@TripeHound No, I'm definitely thinking of Corsica, which has long had an independence movement, as well as Italian irridentism, has been French for less than 300 years, and where Italian was the main public language until the 19th century. The place names are almost all essentially Italian as well including the name Corsica itself.

– gerrit
yesterday





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@gerrit Italian irredentism was largely promoted by Italy & was effectively snuffed out by WW2. I know a number of Corsicans who all identify as Corsican First and French second (and expressly not Italian). However, what is important in this context is that the Unione Corse evolved and operated predominantly in Corsica & Marseilles, and that the Corsican Mafia is considered to be part of the 'French mob', rather than their Italian counterparts.

– sempaiscuba
yesterday





@gerrit Italian irredentism was largely promoted by Italy & was effectively snuffed out by WW2. I know a number of Corsicans who all identify as Corsican First and French second (and expressly not Italian). However, what is important in this context is that the Unione Corse evolved and operated predominantly in Corsica & Marseilles, and that the Corsican Mafia is considered to be part of the 'French mob', rather than their Italian counterparts.

– sempaiscuba
yesterday











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Question:

Non Italian European organized crime groups in the United States.




Ethnic Organized Crime groups which meet the criteria of your question operating in the United States are.




  • 69th St Gang Philadelphia Jewish Gang


  • Cape Verdean - French, Netherlands, Portugal, and New England


  • The Combined (Group) - Jewish Italian Irish Organized Crime precursor to the Cosa Nostra

  • The Irish Mob


  • The Israeli Mob - Jewish


  • Lenox Avenue Gang - Jewish


  • Purple Gang - predominantly Jewish members


  • Russian Mafia - Russian


    • Solomon Crime Family - Jewish Russian



  • Sagansky Organization - Jewish

  • Philadelphia Greek Mob


  • Velentzas Crime Family - Greek





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    The Hell's Angels likely count too, as they generally don't allow non-white (eg: European-descended) members.

    – T.E.D.
    2 days ago






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    @T.E.D. One could probable list more than 20 biker gangs like that as well as various Arian Groups ,

    – JMS
    2 days ago






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    @LangLangC The difference between Sicily and Italy is greater than the difference between Germany and Austria. Sicilians have a different language, complexion, and culture. Particularly when dealing Pre-Italian Unification or the first few generations afterwards, the two are quite different.

    – Lan
    2 days ago







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    @KentaroTomono A number of high-ranking members of other ethnic mobs were Jewish, as well.

    – nick012000
    2 days ago






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    Is your list exhaustive ? It also is formulated in a bigotted structure (listing all Jewish gangs induce a representative bias). Why not list all Irish and Polish and Mediterranean organisations ?

    – NegativeJo
    2 days ago















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Question:

Non Italian European organized crime groups in the United States.




Ethnic Organized Crime groups which meet the criteria of your question operating in the United States are.




  • 69th St Gang Philadelphia Jewish Gang


  • Cape Verdean - French, Netherlands, Portugal, and New England


  • The Combined (Group) - Jewish Italian Irish Organized Crime precursor to the Cosa Nostra

  • The Irish Mob


  • The Israeli Mob - Jewish


  • Lenox Avenue Gang - Jewish


  • Purple Gang - predominantly Jewish members


  • Russian Mafia - Russian


    • Solomon Crime Family - Jewish Russian



  • Sagansky Organization - Jewish

  • Philadelphia Greek Mob


  • Velentzas Crime Family - Greek





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  • 6





    The Hell's Angels likely count too, as they generally don't allow non-white (eg: European-descended) members.

    – T.E.D.
    2 days ago






  • 3





    @T.E.D. One could probable list more than 20 biker gangs like that as well as various Arian Groups ,

    – JMS
    2 days ago






  • 5





    @LangLangC The difference between Sicily and Italy is greater than the difference between Germany and Austria. Sicilians have a different language, complexion, and culture. Particularly when dealing Pre-Italian Unification or the first few generations afterwards, the two are quite different.

    – Lan
    2 days ago







  • 2





    @KentaroTomono A number of high-ranking members of other ethnic mobs were Jewish, as well.

    – nick012000
    2 days ago






  • 7





    Is your list exhaustive ? It also is formulated in a bigotted structure (listing all Jewish gangs induce a representative bias). Why not list all Irish and Polish and Mediterranean organisations ?

    – NegativeJo
    2 days ago













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Question:

Non Italian European organized crime groups in the United States.




Ethnic Organized Crime groups which meet the criteria of your question operating in the United States are.




  • 69th St Gang Philadelphia Jewish Gang


  • Cape Verdean - French, Netherlands, Portugal, and New England


  • The Combined (Group) - Jewish Italian Irish Organized Crime precursor to the Cosa Nostra

  • The Irish Mob


  • The Israeli Mob - Jewish


  • Lenox Avenue Gang - Jewish


  • Purple Gang - predominantly Jewish members


  • Russian Mafia - Russian


    • Solomon Crime Family - Jewish Russian



  • Sagansky Organization - Jewish

  • Philadelphia Greek Mob


  • Velentzas Crime Family - Greek





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Question:

Non Italian European organized crime groups in the United States.




Ethnic Organized Crime groups which meet the criteria of your question operating in the United States are.




  • 69th St Gang Philadelphia Jewish Gang


  • Cape Verdean - French, Netherlands, Portugal, and New England


  • The Combined (Group) - Jewish Italian Irish Organized Crime precursor to the Cosa Nostra

  • The Irish Mob


  • The Israeli Mob - Jewish


  • Lenox Avenue Gang - Jewish


  • Purple Gang - predominantly Jewish members


  • Russian Mafia - Russian


    • Solomon Crime Family - Jewish Russian



  • Sagansky Organization - Jewish

  • Philadelphia Greek Mob


  • Velentzas Crime Family - Greek






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  • 6





    The Hell's Angels likely count too, as they generally don't allow non-white (eg: European-descended) members.

    – T.E.D.
    2 days ago






  • 3





    @T.E.D. One could probable list more than 20 biker gangs like that as well as various Arian Groups ,

    – JMS
    2 days ago






  • 5





    @LangLangC The difference between Sicily and Italy is greater than the difference between Germany and Austria. Sicilians have a different language, complexion, and culture. Particularly when dealing Pre-Italian Unification or the first few generations afterwards, the two are quite different.

    – Lan
    2 days ago







  • 2





    @KentaroTomono A number of high-ranking members of other ethnic mobs were Jewish, as well.

    – nick012000
    2 days ago






  • 7





    Is your list exhaustive ? It also is formulated in a bigotted structure (listing all Jewish gangs induce a representative bias). Why not list all Irish and Polish and Mediterranean organisations ?

    – NegativeJo
    2 days ago












  • 6





    The Hell's Angels likely count too, as they generally don't allow non-white (eg: European-descended) members.

    – T.E.D.
    2 days ago






  • 3





    @T.E.D. One could probable list more than 20 biker gangs like that as well as various Arian Groups ,

    – JMS
    2 days ago






  • 5





    @LangLangC The difference between Sicily and Italy is greater than the difference between Germany and Austria. Sicilians have a different language, complexion, and culture. Particularly when dealing Pre-Italian Unification or the first few generations afterwards, the two are quite different.

    – Lan
    2 days ago







  • 2





    @KentaroTomono A number of high-ranking members of other ethnic mobs were Jewish, as well.

    – nick012000
    2 days ago






  • 7





    Is your list exhaustive ? It also is formulated in a bigotted structure (listing all Jewish gangs induce a representative bias). Why not list all Irish and Polish and Mediterranean organisations ?

    – NegativeJo
    2 days ago







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6





The Hell's Angels likely count too, as they generally don't allow non-white (eg: European-descended) members.

– T.E.D.
2 days ago





The Hell's Angels likely count too, as they generally don't allow non-white (eg: European-descended) members.

– T.E.D.
2 days ago




3




3





@T.E.D. One could probable list more than 20 biker gangs like that as well as various Arian Groups ,

– JMS
2 days ago





@T.E.D. One could probable list more than 20 biker gangs like that as well as various Arian Groups ,

– JMS
2 days ago




5




5





@LangLangC The difference between Sicily and Italy is greater than the difference between Germany and Austria. Sicilians have a different language, complexion, and culture. Particularly when dealing Pre-Italian Unification or the first few generations afterwards, the two are quite different.

– Lan
2 days ago






@LangLangC The difference between Sicily and Italy is greater than the difference between Germany and Austria. Sicilians have a different language, complexion, and culture. Particularly when dealing Pre-Italian Unification or the first few generations afterwards, the two are quite different.

– Lan
2 days ago





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@KentaroTomono A number of high-ranking members of other ethnic mobs were Jewish, as well.

– nick012000
2 days ago





@KentaroTomono A number of high-ranking members of other ethnic mobs were Jewish, as well.

– nick012000
2 days ago




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Is your list exhaustive ? It also is formulated in a bigotted structure (listing all Jewish gangs induce a representative bias). Why not list all Irish and Polish and Mediterranean organisations ?

– NegativeJo
2 days ago





Is your list exhaustive ? It also is formulated in a bigotted structure (listing all Jewish gangs induce a representative bias). Why not list all Irish and Polish and Mediterranean organisations ?

– NegativeJo
2 days ago











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All current ones.



As these mafias/organized crimes groups are based in the USA, with persons naturalized or born in the USA, all of the involved persons are Americans.



Their ancestry or place of birth does not matter.






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  • Pretty sure that the organized crime along the Mexican border is dominated by Mexicans.

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  • @Mark You might be surprised how MS 13 is contesting some of those assumptions.

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    If ancestry is relevant in membership being granted or denied, how is that irrelevant in defining a gang?

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All current ones.



As these mafias/organized crimes groups are based in the USA, with persons naturalized or born in the USA, all of the involved persons are Americans.



Their ancestry or place of birth does not matter.






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All current ones.



As these mafias/organized crimes groups are based in the USA, with persons naturalized or born in the USA, all of the involved persons are Americans.



Their ancestry or place of birth does not matter.






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All current ones.



As these mafias/organized crimes groups are based in the USA, with persons naturalized or born in the USA, all of the involved persons are Americans.



Their ancestry or place of birth does not matter.







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  • Pretty sure that the organized crime along the Mexican border is dominated by Mexicans.

    – Mark
    yesterday











  • @Mark You might be surprised how MS 13 is contesting some of those assumptions.

    – KorvinStarmast
    yesterday






  • 2





    If ancestry is relevant in membership being granted or denied, how is that irrelevant in defining a gang?

    – rackandboneman
    20 hours ago

















  • Pretty sure that the organized crime along the Mexican border is dominated by Mexicans.

    – Mark
    yesterday











  • @Mark You might be surprised how MS 13 is contesting some of those assumptions.

    – KorvinStarmast
    yesterday






  • 2





    If ancestry is relevant in membership being granted or denied, how is that irrelevant in defining a gang?

    – rackandboneman
    20 hours ago
















Pretty sure that the organized crime along the Mexican border is dominated by Mexicans.

– Mark
yesterday





Pretty sure that the organized crime along the Mexican border is dominated by Mexicans.

– Mark
yesterday













@Mark You might be surprised how MS 13 is contesting some of those assumptions.

– KorvinStarmast
yesterday





@Mark You might be surprised how MS 13 is contesting some of those assumptions.

– KorvinStarmast
yesterday




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If ancestry is relevant in membership being granted or denied, how is that irrelevant in defining a gang?

– rackandboneman
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If ancestry is relevant in membership being granted or denied, how is that irrelevant in defining a gang?

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