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Citing contemporaneous (interlaced?) preprints
Why do some arXiv preprints have increased line spacing?Arxiv rejection of preprintsDo old preprints actually exist?How to react to flawed preprints?List unpublished masters thesis in preprints section on CV?Sending preprints to colleaguesWhy do publishers allow distributing preprints?Have technical reports been subsumed by preprints?Uploading preprints of old Elsevier papers to arXiv, and updating arXiv preprints by newer versionsEditorial perception/bias regarding preprints in bioinformatics
In my area of research distributing preprints of results is very common. Consider the following seqence of events:
- Group A finishes paper P, distributes it as a preprint and submits to a journal
- Group B posts related preprint Q
Group A receives referee reports for paper P. Referee requests discussion/citation of Q.
Group A responds that Q came later and was not used in writing P, therefore no detailed discussion/citation necessary.
Referee insists on discussion of Q in paper P
Who is in the right?
citations peer-review preprint
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In my area of research distributing preprints of results is very common. Consider the following seqence of events:
- Group A finishes paper P, distributes it as a preprint and submits to a journal
- Group B posts related preprint Q
Group A receives referee reports for paper P. Referee requests discussion/citation of Q.
Group A responds that Q came later and was not used in writing P, therefore no detailed discussion/citation necessary.
Referee insists on discussion of Q in paper P
Who is in the right?
citations peer-review preprint
asked yesterday
MKRMKR
399210
Does Q discuss/cite P?
– Bergi
yesterday
@Bergi no, it does not
– MKR
22 hours ago
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In my area of research distributing preprints of results is very common. Consider the following seqence of events:
- Group A finishes paper P, distributes it as a preprint and submits to a journal
- Group B posts related preprint Q
Group A receives referee reports for paper P. Referee requests discussion/citation of Q.
Group A responds that Q came later and was not used in writing P, therefore no detailed discussion/citation necessary.
Referee insists on discussion of Q in paper P
Who is in the right?
citations peer-review preprint
asked yesterday
MKRMKR
399210
In my area of research distributing preprints of results is very common. Consider the following seqence of events:
- Group A finishes paper P, distributes it as a preprint and submits to a journal
- Group B posts related preprint Q
Group A receives referee reports for paper P. Referee requests discussion/citation of Q.
Group A responds that Q came later and was not used in writing P, therefore no detailed discussion/citation necessary.
Referee insists on discussion of Q in paper P
Who is in the right?
citations peer-review preprint
citations peer-review preprint
asked yesterday
MKRMKR
399210
asked yesterday
MKRMKR
399210
asked yesterday
MKRMKR
399210
asked yesterday
MKRMKR
399210
asked yesterday
MKRMKR
399210
399210
Does Q discuss/cite P?
– Bergi
yesterday
@Bergi no, it does not
– MKR
22 hours ago
add a comment |
Does Q discuss/cite P?
– Bergi
yesterday
@Bergi no, it does not
– MKR
22 hours ago
Does Q discuss/cite P?
– Bergi
yesterday
Does Q discuss/cite P?
– Bergi
yesterday
@Bergi no, it does not
– MKR
22 hours ago
@Bergi no, it does not
– MKR
22 hours ago
add a comment |
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Cite relevant literature
Since you have the option of adding a citation to a relevant source, you should do it. It improves the paper by making it a more useful reference, and comparing and contrasting the results might also be useful.
Priority
If relevant, use a phrase like "A very recent preprint A claims this and that.", or even, if your results are very similar and you really need to emphasize priority, "During peer review of this article a preprint A was published. The preprint...".
answered yesterday
Tommi BranderTommi Brander
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Who is in the right matters somewhat less than who is in control. Refusing the request of a referee possibly leads to rejection of the paper.
But you may not need an extended discussion of the other paper, but a notice that it exists and is related in -whatever- way. This is simply a service to readers who find one paper and are interested in the topic generally.
You seem to be insisting on a claim to primacy here, which may not be completely warranted. The work on the two papers, and the key insights, occurred more or less at the same time - independent research. The fact that one hit the streets a bit before the other is less important than that certain problems were solved and some questions have been answered. The earlier date of issue could occur for any number of random reasons. Had it gone the other way, how would you feel?
answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
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Citations are not simply for listing the papers you referred to while doing the work. "We didn't use this while writing the paper" is not a reason to not cite relevant material. Besides, you haven't even finished writing the paper – it's still being revised!
Whether or not the new paper requires a detailed discussion depends on its relation to your own. You should discuss it as much as you would if it had been available before you submitted your paper.
answered yesterday
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
29.6k661125
1
+1 A paper ideally should reflect the state of the art on the day it is accepted (after which you can only correct typos). Of course you (and the referee) might miss some latest development, or you decide to not take it into account, but that's at the risk of you paper becoming (partially) obsolete within very short time. Your decision, and the referee's and editor's to be OK with that.
– Karl
yesterday
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Cite relevant literature
Since you have the option of adding a citation to a relevant source, you should do it. It improves the paper by making it a more useful reference, and comparing and contrasting the results might also be useful.
Priority
If relevant, use a phrase like "A very recent preprint A claims this and that.", or even, if your results are very similar and you really need to emphasize priority, "During peer review of this article a preprint A was published. The preprint...".
answered yesterday
Tommi BranderTommi Brander
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add a comment |
Cite relevant literature
Since you have the option of adding a citation to a relevant source, you should do it. It improves the paper by making it a more useful reference, and comparing and contrasting the results might also be useful.
Priority
If relevant, use a phrase like "A very recent preprint A claims this and that.", or even, if your results are very similar and you really need to emphasize priority, "During peer review of this article a preprint A was published. The preprint...".
answered yesterday
Tommi BranderTommi Brander
4,71421533
add a comment |
Cite relevant literature
Since you have the option of adding a citation to a relevant source, you should do it. It improves the paper by making it a more useful reference, and comparing and contrasting the results might also be useful.
Priority
If relevant, use a phrase like "A very recent preprint A claims this and that.", or even, if your results are very similar and you really need to emphasize priority, "During peer review of this article a preprint A was published. The preprint...".
answered yesterday
Tommi BranderTommi Brander
4,71421533
Cite relevant literature
Since you have the option of adding a citation to a relevant source, you should do it. It improves the paper by making it a more useful reference, and comparing and contrasting the results might also be useful.
Priority
If relevant, use a phrase like "A very recent preprint A claims this and that.", or even, if your results are very similar and you really need to emphasize priority, "During peer review of this article a preprint A was published. The preprint...".
answered yesterday
Tommi BranderTommi Brander
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Tommi BranderTommi Brander
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Tommi BranderTommi Brander
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Who is in the right matters somewhat less than who is in control. Refusing the request of a referee possibly leads to rejection of the paper.
But you may not need an extended discussion of the other paper, but a notice that it exists and is related in -whatever- way. This is simply a service to readers who find one paper and are interested in the topic generally.
You seem to be insisting on a claim to primacy here, which may not be completely warranted. The work on the two papers, and the key insights, occurred more or less at the same time - independent research. The fact that one hit the streets a bit before the other is less important than that certain problems were solved and some questions have been answered. The earlier date of issue could occur for any number of random reasons. Had it gone the other way, how would you feel?
answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
50.6k14164250
add a comment |
Who is in the right matters somewhat less than who is in control. Refusing the request of a referee possibly leads to rejection of the paper.
But you may not need an extended discussion of the other paper, but a notice that it exists and is related in -whatever- way. This is simply a service to readers who find one paper and are interested in the topic generally.
You seem to be insisting on a claim to primacy here, which may not be completely warranted. The work on the two papers, and the key insights, occurred more or less at the same time - independent research. The fact that one hit the streets a bit before the other is less important than that certain problems were solved and some questions have been answered. The earlier date of issue could occur for any number of random reasons. Had it gone the other way, how would you feel?
answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
50.6k14164250
add a comment |
Who is in the right matters somewhat less than who is in control. Refusing the request of a referee possibly leads to rejection of the paper.
But you may not need an extended discussion of the other paper, but a notice that it exists and is related in -whatever- way. This is simply a service to readers who find one paper and are interested in the topic generally.
You seem to be insisting on a claim to primacy here, which may not be completely warranted. The work on the two papers, and the key insights, occurred more or less at the same time - independent research. The fact that one hit the streets a bit before the other is less important than that certain problems were solved and some questions have been answered. The earlier date of issue could occur for any number of random reasons. Had it gone the other way, how would you feel?
answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
50.6k14164250
Who is in the right matters somewhat less than who is in control. Refusing the request of a referee possibly leads to rejection of the paper.
But you may not need an extended discussion of the other paper, but a notice that it exists and is related in -whatever- way. This is simply a service to readers who find one paper and are interested in the topic generally.
You seem to be insisting on a claim to primacy here, which may not be completely warranted. The work on the two papers, and the key insights, occurred more or less at the same time - independent research. The fact that one hit the streets a bit before the other is less important than that certain problems were solved and some questions have been answered. The earlier date of issue could occur for any number of random reasons. Had it gone the other way, how would you feel?
answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
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answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
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answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
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answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
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add a comment |
Citations are not simply for listing the papers you referred to while doing the work. "We didn't use this while writing the paper" is not a reason to not cite relevant material. Besides, you haven't even finished writing the paper – it's still being revised!
Whether or not the new paper requires a detailed discussion depends on its relation to your own. You should discuss it as much as you would if it had been available before you submitted your paper.
answered yesterday
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
29.6k661125
1
+1 A paper ideally should reflect the state of the art on the day it is accepted (after which you can only correct typos). Of course you (and the referee) might miss some latest development, or you decide to not take it into account, but that's at the risk of you paper becoming (partially) obsolete within very short time. Your decision, and the referee's and editor's to be OK with that.
– Karl
yesterday
add a comment |
Citations are not simply for listing the papers you referred to while doing the work. "We didn't use this while writing the paper" is not a reason to not cite relevant material. Besides, you haven't even finished writing the paper – it's still being revised!
Whether or not the new paper requires a detailed discussion depends on its relation to your own. You should discuss it as much as you would if it had been available before you submitted your paper.
answered yesterday
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
29.6k661125
1
+1 A paper ideally should reflect the state of the art on the day it is accepted (after which you can only correct typos). Of course you (and the referee) might miss some latest development, or you decide to not take it into account, but that's at the risk of you paper becoming (partially) obsolete within very short time. Your decision, and the referee's and editor's to be OK with that.
– Karl
yesterday
add a comment |
Citations are not simply for listing the papers you referred to while doing the work. "We didn't use this while writing the paper" is not a reason to not cite relevant material. Besides, you haven't even finished writing the paper – it's still being revised!
Whether or not the new paper requires a detailed discussion depends on its relation to your own. You should discuss it as much as you would if it had been available before you submitted your paper.
answered yesterday
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
29.6k661125
Citations are not simply for listing the papers you referred to while doing the work. "We didn't use this while writing the paper" is not a reason to not cite relevant material. Besides, you haven't even finished writing the paper – it's still being revised!
Whether or not the new paper requires a detailed discussion depends on its relation to your own. You should discuss it as much as you would if it had been available before you submitted your paper.
answered yesterday
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
29.6k661125
answered yesterday
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
29.6k661125
answered yesterday
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
29.6k661125
answered yesterday
David RicherbyDavid Richerby
29.6k661125
29.6k661125
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+1 A paper ideally should reflect the state of the art on the day it is accepted (after which you can only correct typos). Of course you (and the referee) might miss some latest development, or you decide to not take it into account, but that's at the risk of you paper becoming (partially) obsolete within very short time. Your decision, and the referee's and editor's to be OK with that.
– Karl
yesterday
add a comment |
1
+1 A paper ideally should reflect the state of the art on the day it is accepted (after which you can only correct typos). Of course you (and the referee) might miss some latest development, or you decide to not take it into account, but that's at the risk of you paper becoming (partially) obsolete within very short time. Your decision, and the referee's and editor's to be OK with that.
– Karl
yesterday
1
1
+1 A paper ideally should reflect the state of the art on the day it is accepted (after which you can only correct typos). Of course you (and the referee) might miss some latest development, or you decide to not take it into account, but that's at the risk of you paper becoming (partially) obsolete within very short time. Your decision, and the referee's and editor's to be OK with that.
– Karl
yesterday
+1 A paper ideally should reflect the state of the art on the day it is accepted (after which you can only correct typos). Of course you (and the referee) might miss some latest development, or you decide to not take it into account, but that's at the risk of you paper becoming (partially) obsolete within very short time. Your decision, and the referee's and editor's to be OK with that.
– Karl
yesterday
add a comment |
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Does Q discuss/cite P?
– Bergi
yesterday
@Bergi no, it does not
– MKR
22 hours ago